Woe Unto You Who Call Good Evil and Evil Good!



Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!  Isaiah 5:20

The Prosecution’s sentencing memorandum has been published online.   LINK

A few quotes along with my (Chuckles) thoughts:

“Schaap later lied to his staff when they grew concerned about the amount of time he spent with the girl by claiming the girl was on her period and was just resting on his couch.”


Who thinks it’s normal for any pastor to know when a girl is on her period?

“Now she’s had to transfer schools, and her family was told it wasn’t safe for them to return to the church, according to letters from her parents.”


Why was she told it wasn’t safe to return to her church? Was she being threatened or had something happened to her at church?

Are some of these people making it unsafe for the victim the same people who sat idly behind him and remained mute while Jack Schaap demonstrated masturbation at a youth conference?

Are these people making it unsafe for the victim the same folks who listened and remained silent while he said from the pulpit the vile things  contained in the video below about teen girls less that one month before he was arrested?

Starting near the middle of page 17 of the sentencing memorandum:

“As mentioned in her letters, the victim is participating in regular psychotherapy to help her cope with this incredibly difficult situation and her evolving feelings for the Defendant. Undersigned counsel has met with many victims during the time she has been prosecuting sex offenses but has never before worked with one who was groomed and sexually abused by a religious figure who expertly used his “inside track” to God to justify his illegal conduct to his victim.”

To the victim and the victims family.  We here at Chucklestravels hurt for you.  You’ve suffered enough.  Those people at FBCH were never your friends.   They aren’t Godly either.  They’re going to have a lot to answer for to their Maker.

Ezekial 34:1-10 The Message says:

God’s Message came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherd-leaders of Israel. Yes, prophesy! Tell those shepherds, ‘God, the Master, says: Doom to you shepherds of Israel, feeding your own mouths! Aren’t shepherds supposed to feed sheep? You drink the milk, you make clothes from the wool, you roast the lambs, but you don’t feed the sheep. You don’t build up the weak ones, don’t heal the sick, don’t doctor the injured, don’t go after the strays, don’t look for the lost. You bully and badger them. And now they’re scattered every which way because there was no shepherd—scattered and easy pickings for wolves and coyotes. Scattered—my sheep!—exposed and vulnerable across mountains and hills. My sheep scattered all over the world, and no one out looking for them!

7-9 “‘Therefore, shepherds, listen to the Message of God: As sure as I am the living God—Decree of God, the Master—because my sheep have been turned into mere prey, into easy meals for wolves because you shepherds ignored them and only fed yourselves, listen to what God has to say:

10 “‘Watch out! I’m coming down on the shepherds and taking my sheep back. They’re fired as shepherds of my sheep. No more shepherds who just feed themselves! I’ll rescue my sheep from their greed. They’re not going to feed off my sheep any longer!

Sick Puppy: Jack Schaap


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The Chicago Post Tribune reports.

Preacher: Sex with 17-year-old was Lord’s work

BY Teresa Auch Schultz tauch@post-trib.com

Former First Baptist Church of Hammond pastor Jack Schaap’s affair with a 17-year-old girl last summer not only wasn’t wrong but was desired by Jesus Christ.

That’s what he claimed in one of several letters he wrote to the victim during his crime, couching the sexual relationship as part of her personal salvation and something Jesus Christ wanted.

“In our ‘fantasy talk,’ you have affectionately spoken of being ‘my wife,’ ” Schaap wrote in one letter. “That is exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!”

Federal prosecutors included the letters in the government’s sentencing memorandum for Schaap, which was filed Wednesday evening in U.S. District Court in Hammond.

Schaap has pleaded guilty to causing the girl to be transported to Illinois and Michigan last year for a sexual relationship. Schaap resigned from the megachurch, one of the largest in the country, last summer after church members discovered his relationship with the girl and reported it to local law enforcement.

In his letters to the girl, Schaap often discusses how he helped save her from self-destruction, helping to put her on a “better path of living — that’s what we call Righteousness.”

In another letter, he talks about how he wanted their time together for three days — which appears to reference their time in Michigan — to show her how much she matters to Jesus Christ.

The girl and her family are still dealing with the ramifications of the relationship, according to letters they wrote to the court.

The girl wrote about how she spent her entire life in the church, listening to Schaap preach three times a week and being taught that he was a messenger of God.

“He told me to confide in him, to trust him, and he made me feel safe and comfortable around him as a man of God,” she wrote. “(Schaap) preyed on that trust and my vulnerability.”

In another letter written to Schaap, she says she was shocked when he first kissed her. When she asked if it was wrong, Schaap told her it was OK.

“You told me that I was sent to you from God, I was his gift to you,” the letter says.

She admits that by the time they were discovered, she thought she was in love with him and at first didn’t admit he had victimized her.

Now she’s had to transfer schools, and her family was told it wasn’t safe for them to return to the church, according to letters from her parents. The girl writes that although she still struggles every day, she is determined to “get through this and grow from it.”

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jill Koster says in the sentencing memorandum that Schaap started grooming the victim in April 2012, after an administrator at the girl’s high school, run by the church, emailed Schaap about how she was “frightened, confused and emotionally traumatized” and in need of guidance.

The administrator wrote that he told the girl to let other people guide her life for now and to trust her leaders.

Schaap encouraged her to talk to him about a past romantic relationships and to view him as a friend. The two called and texted each other frequently, including 662 times in the month, before he was discovered. Phone records show he instigated contact in all but five of those days.

The government’s filing says he duped church employees into helping transport the girl across state lines, telling them the girl was “in an extremely vulnerable state” and that he needed prolonged alone time with her to help her.

However, he really took her to his personal property in Crete, Ill., and to his cabin in Cadillac, Mich., once spending 36 hours alone with her. When the employee grew concerned about the girl’s continued absence and texted Schaap, he claimed the girl had fallen asleep on his couch.

He also engaged in sexual behavior with her in his office at the church during a youth conference, according to the government’s filing.

Schaap later lied to his staff when they grew concerned about the amount of time he spent with the girl by claiming the girl was on her period and was just resting on his couch. A staff member found photos of the two a few days later, which led to the federal investigation.

Koster disputes claims in Schaap’s own sentencing memorandum that he was stressed from the church’s decreasing finances and having to work 100 hours a week to make up for fewer staff members.

“The only way (Schaap) could have been working 100-hour weeks during the time period investigated by the government is if he’s counting the many hours he dedicated to grooming and sexually abusing the victim,” Koster says in the filing.

She defends the government’s agreement to recommend a 10-year sentence for Schaap, noting he agreed to plead guilty even before he was charged.

The victim dropped her request for restitution as her doctors still cannot estimate how much help she will need to recover from the crime. Defendants convicted in such crimes are legally required to pay their victims’ medical fees through restitution.

Schapp is scheduled to be sentenced Thursday morning.


WARNING ALL POTENTIAL SCHAAP VICTIMS: David Gibbs Is the Defense Attorney for Jack Schaap

David Gibbs, III

David Gibbs, Jr and David Gibbs III calling themselves, “One of the Nations Top Law Firms” are from Seminole. Florida.

Gibbs Law Firm and the Christian Legal Association share the same office space.

According to their website, their areas of practice include:

David Gibbs, stood up and addressed those present at First Baptist Church of Hammond Indiana Wednesday evening  service.

David Gibbs, said he was going to be performing a thorough investigation about everything going on at Hammond.

David Gibbs said that anyone who was abused come forward to the church, Gibbs didn’t tell those who were abused to go to the police. 

First of all, no matter how much hype you hear about David Gibbs, fighting for Christian Liberty, most of Gibbs practice has been as a defense attorney for pastors and others who physically, or sexually abused children in churches, Christian Schools and Independent Fundamental Boarding Homes.  Gibbs defended a former pastor who was convicted for tax fraud.

Not only does David Gibbs, defend the person accused, Gibbs works for the specific church to minimize damages, both civil and otherwise.  The word “church” I refer to here, isn’t the Universal church (all Christians) but the specific church entity involved or associated with where the offenses took place.

As a defense attorney, Gibbs job is to get information to have Gibbs client, (in this case, Jack Schaap) charges dismissed, reduced, or if those options aren’t successful, to try to ensure that his client to receive the lightest sentence possible.

I, Chuckles, spoke to a prosecutor friend this morning.  He was kind enough to point out the following:

First of all, in this case, both local and federal law enforcement agencies are the agencies the victims and anyone who has information pertinent to this case need to be the ones contacted.

Lake County Sheriff Department

2293 North Main Street,

Crown Point, Indiana 46307

Phone:  (219) 775-3300

Federal Bureau of Investigation – Chicago

2111 W. Roosevelt Road

Chicago, IL 60608
Phone: (312) 421-6700

Once law investigations are complete, David Gibbs will be given copies of law enforcement reports,  and any other findings, reports and evidence by the prosecutor’s office.

The Defense Attorney, (Gibbs) will want to conduct his own investigation.  Gibbs, or an individual called a defense investigator.  A defense investigator works for the defense attorney on the behalf of the accused. 

My prosecutor friend warned, “The defense, like the police, may electronically record conversations without the victims knowledge or consent. Defense attorney’s or defense investigators, like police investigators, may legally use deception to obtain information. A victim of a sexual offense who wants no contact with a defense investigator may simply notify the defense investigator orally or in writing. If you are a victim of a sexual  offense, after this notification the defense attorney or the defense investigator may not attempt further contact with [the victim]  unless the victim initiates the contact.

My prosecutor friend went on to say that law enforcement and the prosecutor’s office should be notified of what Gibbs said that night.  He said that if Gibbs has already been in contact with any alleged victims, those victims need to end all conversation with Gibbs, NOW, and inform law enforcement that they as a victim are being contacted by Schaap’s defense attorney.

Victims, don’t fall for the line “He [Gibb’s] is a Christian.”  Do NOT trust David Gibbs, Jr, or David Gibbs, III.  You will live to regret it.  As the victim, you’re  not Gibbs client, Jack Schaap and First Baptist Church of Hammond are his clients.

Victims of Schaap who trust Gibbs will live to regret it.

Ask Bob Gray victims. Ask New Bethany Survivors.

Ask Tina Anderson.

The list of other examples is too long to post in this post.

Gibbs legal duties as a defense attorney are with his clients. Victims are not Gibbs clients.

David Gibbs, Jr.
Founder of Gibbs Law Firm and Christian Legal Association.


This is the advice the Christian Law Association—the Lawyers to the IFB—is giving pastors about child sexual abuse cases that occur IFB churches and schools


Jack Schaap Resigns, Church Give Reason As ‘Sin’

Jack Schaap preached “What Mom and Dad Don’t Know Will Hurt Him” on July 8, 2012.  Schaap made some very bazaar, shocking statements about teen age girls in this message .

Warning:  Graphic Speech by Schaap concerning teen girls

**Trigger Warning**

Here’s a few quotes from the video:

“Let me ask your daughter something. You date him? Have you kissed him? Ya’ sleeping with him? Multiple times?”

 “And I’ll look at the person and say, who ya sleeping with? Your kid’s problem(s) isn’t, the, did you see how short her skirt is, no, the problem is, she takes her skirt, and everything else off. Your kids are coming to me and telling me they have sexual experiences in the hundreds; hundreds; hundreds.”

 “Is she good in bed? How many times have you slept with her?”
“Are you uncomfortable?”

“You know, the most common question I ask our teenagers: are you safe in how you act? Mom and dad, you understand the language? That’s my most common question. In Baptist Church, in Hammond, Indiana, are
you practicing safe sex?”

 “I want to say to my fellow brethren cremate me over this. Absolutely destroy me on the blog pages. Massacre. We’ve lost lost scores of HAC students because pastors get furious when I talk about this. But who wrote the book on sexuality folks?”

 “Nobody wants to be more intimate with you than God does. The language that Jesus Christ used when he talked to his Father about what he wanted for his people. Read John 17 mom and daddy and tell me how intimate he wanted your kids to be with him. Read John 15 and ask me if Jesus Christ just wanted to shake hands. [whispering] If you abide in me, and my words abide in you. I in you. You in Me. We in the Father, the Father in us. Don’t try to reach some ambiguous theological nonsense in that. Jesus was saying, can I put it in language that everybody understands. He says “I want be the most intimate of intimates with you.”

But if we don’t get it figured out that we’re connected with God. And when your teenager goes through adolescence and they start changing, and daddy, you don’t want to touch her anymore, you know you don’t want to hug her anymore; trust me, she’s got a boyfriend lined up who’ll be happy to touch her.”

Mom, dad, listen to me. I don’t need more business, but when your children reach that age, and they start going through that 13, 14, 15 year stage, send them to me, I’ll talk to them. Please don’t look at me like I’m stupid, why are you talking this way? Because I don’t want to lose your kids, that’s why. Because you don’t want to find out about it do you mom and daddy. And I’ll tell you three reasons why. Number one, because you’re dirty yourself.”

I was one of those little kids that went to a public school. You’ve heard me say it, I watched sex take place in the Junior High hallway, but I was a virgin when I got married.”

You know what grieves my heart. I’m looking around and see some of you men sleeping and I want to walk up to you. I can tell you how many girls your son has slept with; I know. He lives at home with you right now. You’re sleeping. You’re sound asleep. I want to walk up to you and say wake up dad, your son is whoring around.”

Do you know how many times your daughter sneaks out in the wee hours of the morning to have sex with her boyfriend?”
“Well, not my daughter.”
“I’ll take pictures for ya’.”

The net has been buzzing with news that Jack Schaap has allegedly been in an inappropriate relationship with a teenage girl.

Only a few minutes ago, First Baptist Church of Hammond Indiana issued the following press release.

Chuckles spoke with the Lake County Sheriff Department a few minutes ago.  Lake County Sheriff’s office verified that the Lake County Sheriff’s Department opened an investigation this past Tuesday after it was contacted by a “high-ranking member of the church who also filed a complaint.”

Although the Sheriff Deputy did not specify the actual target of investigation with Chuckles, the Deputy did say that investigation involved First Baptist Church, Hammond and included Hyles-Anderson College.

David Gibbs, III defense attorney for child abusers, rapists, child molesters and all-around flying monkey for the IFB leaps into action.  Gibbs is flying in, today, to “address” the First Baptist Church-Hammond congregation.


UPDATE:  If you or someone you know is a victim of Jack Schaap or you have information that would assist the Lake County Sheriff in their investigation,  PLEASE call and talk to the Sheriff’s department. They will take leads and more importantly assist other victims.  Please call  Lake County Sheriff Department at ‎(219) 755-3400.