Pastor Ron Baity Supporter of Mack Ford/New Bethany Attacks Gays

Remember Ron Baity?  The founding pastor of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church, Berean Baptist Church, Winston Salem, North Carolina who contined to support Mack Ford/New Bethany Ministries after New Bethany was closed for more than a decade.

The same Ron Baity who allowed  response to be sent to a survivor of New Bethany who dared to question why Baity’s church was still supporting Mack Ford/New Bethany more than a decade after the “ministry” closed.

“Please pay close attention

1.  How this church spends its money is none of your business since you don’t help pay the bills.

 2.  A person does not have to be a part of a church to receive help.  We help people individually that do no necessarily make up a church

 3.  We have a reason for helping Mack Ford, which you know nothing about, and if we told you it is evident you would not understand.

4.  There is a verse of Scripture that would help you if you would take time to read it.  Galatians 6:1– ”Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of   meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.”–What have you done to help restore him other than condemn him?

5.  I trust you don’t read the first five books of the Bible since the man God used to write them was a murderer.

 6.  I am sure you are not reading the Psalms since David committed adultery and murder.

 7.  I am sure you are not reading the writings of the Apostle Paul since he was a murderer.

 8.  You know you should write your own book of instruction since you are about the only perfect person left. 

Lisa S. Shutt

Secretary, Berean Baptist Church

4135 Thomasville Road

Winston-Salem, NC  27107 USA

(336) 785-0527

Email Address: lisashutt-church@triad.rr.com

It should be mentioned that those who are familiar with Pastor Baity’s “love” allege that email sounds like something Ron would write.

Mack Ford has been accused of raping minors.  Physically abusing minors.  Mack and Thelma Ford admitted in sworn depositions that they had knowlege of those who worked for New Bethany physically and sexually abusing minors.

Yet…Ron Baity contined to support this “ministry” that has been closed for a long time.
Yeah that’s the man!  

Oh LOOK.  Ron Baity is speaking out against gay’s who are consenting adults.

“For 300 years, we had laws that would prosecute that lifestyle,” he is quoted as saying. “We’ve gone down the wrong path. We’ve become so dumb that we have accepted a lie for the truth, and we’ve…discarded the truth on the shoals of shipwreck!”

Ron Baity doesn’t list any of the missionaries supported by Berean Baptist Church on the church website now.  Ron?  Are you still supporting Mack Ford and New Bethany?

Ron supports a known child abusers whose “ministry” doesn’t exist….Hypocrite.

Big HMMM!

On Friday March 25, 2012, “Findings of the Committee that Reviewed BJU’sSexual Abuse Policy and Its Application” was posted on the Bob Jones University website.

The policy looks pretty good at first glance.  If this policy would be implemented the way it claims, there is no doubt this would be a giant leap forward.  However, one of the main reasons for the giant, HMMM from Chuckles and many alumni is the fact that BJU has quite the long history of saying one thing, then turning around and doing the exact opposite.

Let’s just look at this policy as it is written for a few moments.

First of all, before this statement was live on the schools website for an entire day, it changed the wording to one of the most important parts of the statement.

The original policy read:

“Clarifying that the University will provide reasonable assistance to someone over 18 in making a report to authorities.”

When Bob Jones University’s web page was last checked the same portion now reads:


Why change the wording?  Words do matter, you know.

It appears that they just moved from taking a proactive role (assisting) in helping survivors to sitting in a office chair on campus and telling (encouraging) a survivor that the survivor can report if they want.  How does that play out when the survivor is 100’s of miles away from home? Has no idea where Greenville Memorial Hospital is? (Where rape kits are performed in Greenville.)  Where the Greenville County Sheriff Department is … where the local rape-crisis center is?

A confused sex assault victims who doesn’t know a soul off of BJU campus and most likely doesn’t own a car.  How is this “encouragement” going to flesh out in a real life scenario?  What if this person who is over the age of 18, reports that they were victims at home?  From another state, but have minor siblings at home who are at risk?

Big HMMM!  HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Now, a few other things that we here at Chuckles Travels find “hmm worthy.”

“Underserved” makes it sound as if Bob Jones University and people like Jim Berg, Tony Miller, Jon Daulton, Miss Baker, other members of the Dean of Men, Dean of Womens office, members of the administrations and Bible Faculty members such as Mark Minnick offered this service but it was not sufficient to address the needs.  This is not what happened.  In reality, BJU, these people listed above (and others) added to the abuse by blaming the victims and many times encouraging victims to not report these crimes. “Underserved” also tends to put the blame back on the victims, because BJU meant well, but the student victim was “Underserved.”   Until Bob Jones University owns that they have failed and not use some nice sounding word such as “Underserved” how can they be expected to be taken seriously?

Who is this “mature counselor” going to be?  Why the choice of the word mature, instead of licensed and/or competent?  Mature as opposed to immature? Mature and Nouthetic Counselor? Mature and Licensed?  Just one?  Why not both male and female licensed counselors?  There are too many questions that leave us wondering….

HMMMM!

(If you think we’re just nitpicking, I assure you this wording has been used in the past by these people to mean nothing but a retired pastor who had read a book or two by Jay Adams and took a short course that made him say he was a “Licensed Nouthetic Counselor.”  Nevermind that no one is ever licensed as a Nouthetic Counselor in any state after a Nouthetic Counseling Course.)

Most importantly, however, who is the ‘independent ombudsman?’  Unless this ombudsman is Godly Response to Abuse in a Christian Environment (G.R.A.C.E) an organization which has successfully investigated other organizations that have failed in this area. Why should those of us who have been victimized by them, trust them to call anyone the University may appoint?


“Take a proactive role by hosting a Bob Jones University Seminary-sponsored conference for pastors and church leaders addressing the proper biblical and legal response to instances of abuse.”

Really, Bob Jones University?  Your seminary is sponsoring such a conference?  The same seminary where Jim Berg teaches this in his counseling courses?

No, Bob Jones it is time that you be the learner!  It comes across as ultimate-out-of-touch as you can be for Bob Jones University to sponsor such a conference when you have failed so miserably in this area. We remember, Dr. Bob III’s chapel message when Chuck Phelps was still on the Board.

“Sexual molestation–it will not be swept under the rug, it never has been. It’s not the way we operate. It’s always reported to the authorities…Nobody would be kept on the Board or on the faculty who did things like that, who swept things under the rug.”


It’s time BJU invite those who are proven victims advocates, both locally and nationally, and ask those groups to lead such a conference. BJU, you be the student and just listen.

Bob Jones University you have a long way to go before you earned the right to sponsor such a conference!

Bob Jones University, if you think that these questions and many other hard questions are only being asked on this blog, you couldn’t be more mistaken.  You have hurt people, over decades.  You have smashed our trust time and time again.  Trust from someone who has been abused is not a easy thing to get in the first place, then you have turned around and squashed that trust over and over with half-lies and outright lies.  It it going to take a lot to regain the trust YOU, BJU have trampled under foot all these years.  We will not stand for you patronizing us.  We are survivors now.  Not your victims who you can push around.  

Ron Williams Returns to WMUU Broadcasters List

The radio station affiliated with Bob Jones University discontinued the every Saturday airing of “Ron Williams/Hephzibah House” program on WMUU sometime around August 5, 2011. We are sure that the discontinuation of “Ron Williams/Hephzibah House” had nothing whatsoever with CNN producers investigating Hephzibah House for Anderson Cooper’s UnGodly Discipline series.  Nothing whatsoever to do with those same producers contacting Bob Jones University and WMUU officials asking why it would carry a program where girls have told of abuse for nearly 40 years. Word is that after  Bob Jones and WMUU officials were called by CNN producers,  BJU/WMUU spokes-person who then called back the next day and told CNN producers that WMUU no longer carried the program.

For nearly 30 years, Ron Williams/Hephzibah House was aired on WMUU.  Suddenly, the program disappeared without an explaination.  None.  For years, Hephzibah House survivors, and supporters of Hephzibah House survivors had plead with Paul Wright, Bob Jones, III and others to remove this child abuser from WMUU.  The program was never removed and the survivors called liars, bitter and worse.

Hephzibah House has not been listed on WMUU list of Broadcasters for months.  

What is interesting that a few days ago, I found that Ron Williams of Hephzibah House is once again listed on WMUU’s list of Broadcasters.   

Ron Williams/Hephzibah House has not been listed until recently.  We’ve been checking.  We also have screenshots should this listing disappear without an explanation.

Here is a response from a survivor of Hephzibah House.  Her response is  very touching  well worded and was written 5 days after Chris Peterman’s expulsion.  In my opinion, it shows Bob Jones University’s pattern of deception.

BOB JONES UNIVERSITY: A LEGACY OF DECEIT


 

Three years ago, while visiting family in Greenville, SC I walked into WMUU for an arranged meeting with its station manager, Paul Wright. It was the first time in seventeen years I’d approached someone within the Independent Fundamental Baptist religion. I was terrified, but I did it anyway, because my cause was greater than my fears. I was there on behalf of the survivors of Hephzibah House. Specifically, I was there to plead for the removal of Ron Williams from the airwaves of WMUU.

 

The meeting, for my part, went very well. He was kind and considerate to me. During this meeting he told me that WMUU had no affiliation with BJU. He also begged me for time to make a prayerful and informed decision.  I admired his honesty and sincerity, so I decided to give him that time. I went home to Baltimore believing in this man. To be clear, I liked Paul Wright. I trusted Paul Wright.

 

A few months prior to this, [A woman who has advocated for HH ladies and repeatedly asked that WMUU remove Ron Williams/HH off its airwaves] walked into the office and was surprised to find Paul Wright there as well. He was carrying a dossier on Hephzibah House survivors given to him by Ron Williams. What followed is something that to be honest hurt me very much. Mr. Wright, not knowing of my friendship with the woman in question, proceeded to trash me to both her and Dr. Bob the third. He twisted my words and on several occasions he outright lied about what I shared with him.

 

My personal hurt aside, I want to look at the dynamics of this event. Here was the manager of a radio station in an office that by his own words, he should never have been in. Yet there he was, secretly discussing an issue that both parties swore ignorance to. Dr. Bob has long claimed ignorance to the abuses that STILL take place within the confines of Hephzibah House. (Never mind that several summer staff actually interviewed for positions at Hephzibah House right on the BJU campus.)  I’m going to be honest; I actually get very angry when I consider this. The level of dishonesty surrounding this is absolutely shameful. Unfortunately this did not end here.

 

After tirelessly working for three years to get WMUU to do the right thing, CNN aired the story about Hephzibah House. Less then 24 hours later, Ron Williams was pulled from the airwaves of WMUU. I was elated and frustrated at the same time. I finally faced the truth.   This religion will NEVER protect their children on their own. They do not have the character or strength to take a stand for the sake of their children and demand better. I’ve been sitting on this information for some time now. So why talk about it now? Because recent events occurred that infuriated me to the point where I could no longer remain silent.

 

 

Last week I read about Chris being expelled, months after BJU assured the public that no such action would be taken. This incident got me thinking and so I pulled up WMUU and did a general search for Ron Williams and you guessed it, I found him. He is still listed as one of the broadcasters of WMUU. We keep calling for transparency, but what you must understand is this. BJU is unable to be transparent or honest about a single thing. If our religious leaders cannot uphold common decency and honesty in their dealings with their OWN people, then why should a quote un-quote, lost and dying world listen to their teachings either?   

WMUU is under Gospel Fellowship Association (GFA) which is the mission agency associated with Bob Jones University.

You know, the mission board that Chuck Phelps is on?  The mission board whose Administrative Director lamented that Chuck Phelps resigned from Bob Jones University Co-operating Board.  Even after Phelp’s own testimony proved that a former member admitted to Phelps that he [the rapist] was the aggressor for the rape of a 15 year old girl who was also in Phelps’s congregation at the time.

Who is the president of GFA, you ask?  Bob Jones III.

Just want to get that out of the way for those who think they can run onto this blog and tell us that Bob Jones University has nothing at all to do with WMUU.

We may have been born at night, but not last night.

Beaverton Grace Bible Church Files Suit Against Former Members

When I first saw the news report about what I am going to write about in this blog post, I checked to make certain I wasn’t reading The Onion.

According to KATU.com

BEAVERTON, Ore. – A church pastor is suing a mother and daughter for $500,000 because they gave the church bad reviews online.

The family being sued left the church a few years ago and Julie Anne Smith says she and her family were shunned and couldn’t understand why. So she went online and wrote Google and DEX reviews of the church and then started a blog.

“I thought, I’m just going to post a review,” Smith said. “We do it with restaurants and hotels and whatnot, and I thought, why not do it with this church?”

Never did she think Beaverton Grace Bible Church and Pastor Charles O’Neal would slap her with the lawsuit.

“I’m a stay-at-home mom. I teach my kids at home, and this is just not the amount of money that normal moms have.”

When the family left the church, Smith says friends were told to end all contact with her.

“If I went to Costco or any place in town, if I ran into somebody, they would turn their heads and walk the other way,” she said. “All we did was asked questions. We just raised concerns. There’s no sin in that.”

Dissatisfied, she went online to write reviews. Other church members counteracted them with church praise. So Smith started a blog called “Beaverton Grace Bible Church Survivors.”

But the pastor claims in the lawsuit he filed that her words, “creepy,” “cult,” “control tactics,” and “spiritual abuse,” are defamation.

“What somebody does in the church is one thing, but when you get out into society we have the right to free speech, and it may not be what people want to hear, but we absolutely have that right,” Smith said.

The lawsuit didn’t just target Smith. Her daughter and three other commenters are also being sued.

“He can say what he wants in the church and say, don’t talk about this or don’t talk about that, or don’t talk to this person, but when you’re out in the civil world, you don’t do that anymore,” Smith said. “And he’s not my pastor anymore. He does not have that right to keep people from talking.”

The Smiths filed a special free speech motion to dismiss the lawsuit. It goes before a judge later this month.

KATU News called the church, went there, went to the pastor’s home and spoke to his wife. KATU News also called the pastor’s attorney. All of them declined to give their side of the story.

What is it about Pastors named Chuck

Pastor Chuck O’Neil of Grace Bible Church, Beaverton Oregon has filed a $ 500,000 lawsuit alleging damages from a former member, Julie Anne and her daughter for posting negative reviews about the church on Google.

Pastor Chuck wrote:

DEFAMATION IS A CRIME: Pastor Chuck O’ Neal, his wife, his children, and Beaverton Grace Bible Church as a whole, have suffered JulieAnne’s hateful lying slander for well over three years. After seeking counsel from a pastor on staff with Grace Community Church (under Pastor John MacArthur) and reading him several excerpts from JulieAnne’s endless defamation, he recommended that we FILE A LAWSUIT in an appeal to Ceasar as the Apostle Paul did when falsely accused of crimes against God and the state. The lawsuit has been filed in the Washington County courthouse.  (Emphasis mine)

Let me get this straight, Chuck.

Former members of your church wrote negative reviews online starting sometime in 2009.

(Which few people actually read.)

Instead of seeking counsel from a  pastor in your local area,

or….. I don’t know following Matthew 18, Chuck, you call some unnamed pastor at Pastor John MacArthur’s church, in California?

I can’t wait for the pastor of MacArthur’s church you allegedly called to be deposed.  If this case get’s that far, that is.  I have a little idea who we will find was doing the defaming.

Julie Anne started this blog in February 2012 because her negative reviews had been removed from Google.

I don’t know you, Pastor Chuck,  in my opinion, you’re an idiot.  Are you going to sue me too?

While you contemplate suing, do you know what  the “Streisand Effect” is?

Here’s a short video explaining what happens when people try to censor others.

Meanwhile, get that twist out of your boxers, Chuck O’Neil.  You’ll be much more comfortable.

Have a Blessed Day.